ImageKind Review - Why I left
If you were a visitor to my blog a couple months ago, you may remember that I used to offer fine-art prints of my images through ImageKind ("IK"). I no longer do that, and to get a fine-art print from me, you can contact me directly (you can see an email in my profile). I get occasional emails asking me why I left IK and I think I'd be appropriate to share why, since it is a popular outset to see one's work in the Flickr community.
First, what I liked about ImageKind.
The quality of their prints is outstanding. I printed my images on various kinds of paper and in various sizes, and I was pleased with the results. As a printing service, IK is not the cheapest way to print, but you get what you pay for with them.
Their customer service is also outstanding. They ship things fast, and they package prints in a safe manner. Apparently, they're also really good when you have to call them, though I never had to do it.
Second, what I disliked about ImageKind.
As important as print quality and customer service is, most of us join IK hoping to find new buyers for our work. And this is where it gets tricky. If you already have an online or live following of fans, they'll be satisfied with prints you will sell to them through IK. However, IK will not help you find new customers. Here is why.
- Their "search" function on their web-site is broken. I used to have my Point Lobos photos listed there, and as hard as I tried, search results never generated specific image of mine I tried to find based on certain keywords. It's an issue that's frequently brought up in their forum, yet IK has done nothing to fix it over many months they are operating.
- During the weekday busy hours their web-site is often slow to respond, and again, nothing has been done to resolve the issue of bandwidth and increased traffic.
- Their featured and popular artists are generated somewhat randomly. Again, it's brought up frequently in their forum, but nothing is being done to change it.
- Their premium and pro accounts are only for extra storage space. They promise priority placement of your work on their web-site, but since search results and priority placement is random, it's an empty promise. There is very little that is being done to market their artists, so you will have to do a lot of self-promotion to find buyers for your work. IK will not do it for you and they're clear about it when you bring it up on their forum.
- They keep too much profit. Sure, you can keep the most profit on the print itself, but where they're making the most money is when your customer is buying a mat and frame for that print. They only give you 15% commission on that. So say, you sold a print for $20, but your customer end up paying $100 for it. How much do you get in the end? $35. That means they keep $65. And the profit they keep only goes up higher as your customers pay more money.
- They only pay you if you made over $50 and they only do it 45 days after the sale takes place.
- They are not concerned about improving their web-site. If you read through their forum, almost every week someone starts a new thread complaining about bugs in the web-site, sharing thoughts on the improvement. The administrators claim they write all of these things down, but in 6 months that I been visiting IK, very little has been done to improve the web-site's functionality. Things that artists really want have not been implemented, nor the timetable for the implementation been given. To me that means they're in the printing business, not in the business of taking care of the artist.
Bottom line, use them as a printing outlet, but don't expect to find any new buyers of your work through them.
UPDATE (10/03/2008) - After looking into other options, I now use Zenfolio as an outlet to sell my prints, and I explain why I am happy with them here.


11 comments:
Thanks for the write-up Ivan. I recall you saying you'd explain why you parted ways with imagekind a while back, and I've been waiting for this post since.
I have to say I agree with you point for point. I can't pull up my own images through search, and seem to need to directly link to the photo from another source (flickr) just for it to be noticed.
Since it's technically a violation of Flickr TOS to link from a photo to imagekind, the whole relationship doesn't work all that well for me.
But, the quality of the prints is truly outstanding.
Are you doing all your own printing now yourself?
Yes, for now I am. I will buy a good printer one of these days (I been eying Epson R2400 for a while), but it is a big investment, as besides a printer I will need to buy a lot of paper, ink, etc. I did buy my own mat cutter, which saves a lot of money on mats and prints look much better when presented/sold this way. But thus far for my sales I been using Mpix.com and they're great, and a next level up from your regular photo lab at Costco.
I'm also looking at starting a portfolio at Zenfolio, but it'll take some time to get things organized properly. I will in the near future, and I'm glad to see they offer Mpix as one of printing options.
Great write-up, Ivan. I agree.
Hey Ivan, Thanks for this write up. I was considering opening an IK account, or something similar. You're write up has helped me rule this one out. I'll probably look into Mpix now, IK just seemed a bit shakey to me. Thanks again!
I just bailed on IK after waiting 45 minutes for an 80MB file to upload, only to get an error message saying my file was too small, that it needed to be at least 800x800 pixels. It was 6000x4800 pixels, but who's counting.
Thanks for the tip on Zenfolio. I'll check them out next.
Imagekind also has serious problems with login-- I've been unable to login to the site for at least a year now, after entering my creds it just hangs. They've known about this problem for at least as long as well, and have done nothing. They need a web admin with a clue. Thanks for the tip about Zenfolio.
I have an account with ImageKind and agree with most of your review. I think that many artists don't promote themselves enough and rely too much on services like IK. I am signed up with several services and only a few generate any commissions. I have not yet had one sale from IK. Zazzle works well but seems to be more oriented toward a Cafepress type crowd. FinerWorks which is is probably the most like ImageKind performs very well for me but I think it because my work is better indexed by the search engines through them than anything.So I guess it still comes down to marketing one's self.
Thank you for your objective analysis of ImageKind.
Someone very smart said, "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is" I was ready to dive in and put my digital graphics on the web site but, my grandson cautioned me and told me to read your review first.
There are too many phony opportunities online for artists, I wish I could find a legitimate one.
Thank you for your objective analysis of ImageKind.
Someone very smart said, "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is" I was ready to dive in and put my digital graphics on the web site but, my grandson cautioned me and told me to read your review first.
There are too many phony opportunities online for artists, I wish I could find a legitimate one.
I totally agree. I just opened an account w/ IK 2 days ago and on the same day I couldn't log into my account. When I emailed them about it they said I had to delete my cache and history and cockies and make sure everything I had was new and try multiple browsers. Ok, so did that w/ Firefox, still didn't work. Then tried IE and it worked so I uploaded a couple more pics, and then boom, it stopped working again. I could not log in. It kept taking me either to the log in screen again or to the front page. Now I just wanna cancel my account, but I can't even log in to do it. At least it is a free one. What I don't get is that Cafepress runs fast and even, omg, lets you log into your own account. Since they are both owned by the same people what is the deal? ALso, why after 2 years is it not any better? I don't like Zazzle too much, and I use SmugMug too and I like it, but I want a site like Imagekind where you can really showcase your work w/ frames so people can imagine how they'd look. Anyone know of a site like that, besides Redbubble or Zazzle?
Bevin - check out Zenfolio. Also, on my new blog (http://www.ivanmakarov.com/pblog) do a search for Zenfolio for few articles I wrote about that experience.
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